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ROGER
SOMMERS RECORDING TIPS
When you learn from the masters, youve
got a fair chance of becoming one yourself.
Modesty would prevent US producer, engineer
and mixer Roger Sommers from declaring
himself as such, but his track record certainly
puts him in the big league. In the eighties
and nineties, Roger worked under the wing
of acclaimed producers like Bob Rock, Bob
Clearmountain, Ron Nevison and Neil Dorfsman,
where its fair to say he learned
a thing or two. Some of the artists he
has worked with since include Metallica,
Ozzy Osbourne, KD Lang, Don Henley, Rod
Stewart, Ry Cooder, Van Halen and Alanis
Morrisette. Australian Musicians
James Manson was thrilled to have the opportunity
of asking Roger his thoughts on the humble
process of home recording.
How important is monitoring for a home
studio? Can good reference speakers make
your mix sound more professional? In other
words, do home recording, semi pro guys
& gals need to spend a packet on monitor
speakers? I see NS 10s are now selling
for up to $900 American dollars on e-bay.
Good reference speakers can make a significant
difference in the quality of one's work
absolutely but, regardless of whether you
have the bread for a great set it's still
a good idea to use several different reference
platforms (Car, boom box, other persons
hifi, a really good set of headphones,etc..)
as that way, you stand a better chance
of finding big tonal imbalances or realizing
that what sounded good on one set of loudspeakers
may not translate as well on to another.
I got turned on to the Sennheiser HD 600
headphones quite a few years back and they
have saved my ass more times than I can
remember. I don't do much actual mixing
with them on, but when I think I have something
feeling pretty close I will always listen
to a pass with the HD 600's, and invariably
end up better off as a result. I also get
good results mixing through a Sony boom
box with a line input on it, which I feed
from the desk output through a nifty little
+4 db balanced to -10 db unbalanced conversion
device. It's way more representative of
what most folks will end up listening on
, and I can listen to other people's work
which I admire on the same rig as a check
to see if I need to fire myself and find
another career, or if I can keep mixing.
I don't think it's absolutely necessary
for folks working at home to blow a small
fortune on a set of expensive monitors
as long as they have several sources they
can reference on, and a good enough level
of familiarity with what they've got, so
they know how to compensate. If you think
about it, we've been using NS-10's for
twenty years or so now, and the whole time
we have all contended with the fact that
they're too bright, have somewhat inadequate
low frequency response, and tend to accentuate
the presence of things like vocals and
snare drums more than other systems. After
you listen on them long enough, you just
get used to them and involuntarily compensate
somehow.
Do microphones such as a Neumann 47
really have that something "magic" compared
to an SM 58. I have heard of Bono tracking
in the control room with an SM 58, so surely
the vocal talent is more important than
the actual hardware?
It's always nice to have a lot of good
tools to choose from but it really is way
more about the person standing in front
of (or holding) the microphone than it
is about the microphone. With all due respect
to all the wonderful singers out there,
I haven't come across many people in my
particular travels who actually know how
to sing into a large diaphragm valve microphone,
it's a skill unto itself and the last person
I worked with who could truly do it was
kd lang. She was amazing and knew exactly
how far to stand and how to move in relation
to the mic to create her own dynamic changes;
skills that people had to have when those
microphones were first widely used and
compression wasnt as widely used.
I always carry a Shure SM-7 around with
me and that is almost always where I will
start when recording a vocalist, they can
grab it, they can shout into it, they can
swallow it, and I don't have to de-ess
the daylights out of the results like I
would if I had put a C-12 or a 251 in front
of most of the folks I encounter.
I think the biggest advantage of an SM-58
in the control room is that its less
intimidating, the foldback balance is usually
much more exciting for the artist, and
the communication between artist and producer
is infinitely better. A lot of singers
really feel uncomfortable with headphones
and not being able to get the right foldback
balance; it can make an enormous difference
in the quality of the performance if theyre
comfortable and inspired. If you set it
up properly, the spill into the vocal track
is usually not too bad.
Seeing as you have great experience
recording guitars, what is your opinion
of Amp simulators such as Amplitude etc?
Do they have a place in professional recording?
Your thoughts on microphone techniques
for Amps.
I think all of the simulation plug ins
are worthwhile on some level but, I still
prefer to record something that actually
moves air with a transducer that responds
to those movements. I often use Amp Farm
to change the character of a sound, or
" put some hair on something" but I have
yet to record a D.I. guitar and only use
the simulator to get the results Im
after. (I actually use amp simulators way
more often on drums and vocals than I do
on guitars) Maybe Im not approaching
that technique properly, as there are folks
out there who swear by it, but I havent
yet gotten it to work for me.
Microphone techniques? The most important
one is to first use the microphones strapped
to the side of your head and stand in front
of the guitar/amp combination to see if
the source is doing what it needs to be
doing. If the tone coming out of the amp
is sub standard, no microphone or clever
placement technique will salvage the sound.
I will mess with guitars, amps, and pedals,
etc for a while to get an interesting/appropriate/exciting
tone before I start grabbing mics and stands.
Having said that though, I love ribbon
mics on guitar amps and own eight Royer
121s which have proved invaluable
to me in the last few years. They handle
lots of SPL and always provide something
worthwhile (though I do sometimes cover
the back of the mic with something as they
are, by nature, bi directional and sometimes
I want better off axis rejection).I also
still lean on Senhheiser 409s, Audio
Technica 4050s, AKG 414s, Neumann
fet-47s when theyre around
and (here it comes again
.) the Shure
SM-7. I tend to use mostly close miking
and just move the mic (s) and try different
combinations of mics until it feels right.
Look, if the part is right, the guitar
player can play it well, the instrument
is properly set up and intonated, the amp
is dialled in properly, it really isnt
that hard to get good results.
I guess
these are dime a dozen questions now because
they are asked all the time, but Ill
enquire anyway. Ha! Tape vs Digital? Hardware
vs Plug Ins?
Tape still has the sonic edge in providing
desirable non linearities and "glue" but
its really quite costly in todays
world of ever shrinking budgets. Its
a digital world we live in now and it provides
us with a level of flexibility that we
have all come to rely on (sometimes too
heavily). I have cut my fair share of 2"
tape and I really dont miss it to
be honest ( I still have a few good scars
on my left hand from the blade jumping
out of the splicing block and me slicing
my hand open all over somebodys master
),
Pro Tools is an incredibly powerful creative
platform and it has enabled to me make
cost effective records with young bands
(and especially their drummers) that I
probably couldnt do if I was still
working exclusively with analog tape. I
still have yet to find a plug in that surpasses
the efficacy and sonic integrity of the
hardware box, but its wonderful to
have both, and to be able to combine them
if necessary. Im still a firm believer
in getting it right at the front end, before
it goes into the box; treating the DAW
like tape recorder and using the plug ins
further on in the process; maybe thats
just my archaic old school thinking getting
the better of me, but give a pile transformer
based mic pres, limiters and equalizers
any day rather than an unprocessed signal
and a bunch of software emulations of
er
.. um
. transformer
based mic pres equalizers and limiters.
Your favorite compressor? Should novices
attempt to use compressors? Any hints on
simple compression use?
Ive been monkeying with compressors
for a very long time and I still learn
new things about compression all the time,
which is simultaneously very exciting and
very frustrating. Every time I think "okay,
now I really know how to work all these
silly boxes", I come up against something
that puts me back in my place and I feel
like I know nothing all over again. The
thing about using compression is you really
need to listen to the attack and release
(especially the release time) times and
its a skill that not everyone naturally
possesses; it takes time and patience for
many of us to tune in to what a compressor
does. A good rule for simple compression
use is to remember that you can always
compress more later but, if you apply too
much "squashing" you cant really
reverse the damage. Sometimes its
best on individual instruments to do some
pretty gentle peak limiting and then apply
more later if necessary. George Massenburg
once told me (okay, he yelled but thats
just George and we love him
.) that
the key to using compression properly is
to listen to the release time, and hes
right.
I have a lot of favourite compressors,
I love the Focusrite Red 3, the Empircal
Labs Distressor, the Alan Smart C2, and
the older discrete Neve 32264s and
33609s. I also used a unit made by
Joe Malone in Brisbane recently that was
astounding, and I must see about owning
one at some point soon. Okay, I know what
youre thinking, "this guy is naming
off all of this really expensive stuff,
of course its good!" I also think
the FMR " Really Nice Compressor" (not
very expensive at all, about $400 Australian
dollars) is a MUST HAVE unit. I have a
few of them and use them all the time on
Drums, Bass, you name it. Theyre
great, theyre stereo, and theyre
easy to transport. I also get a lot of
mileage out of using cheap stomp box compressors
(MXR Dyna Comp, Boss limiters etc..), or
sometimes expensive stomp box compressors
like the one made by Demeter in the states
called the Compulator, that thing is amazing,
and its got a really neat blue LED
thats guaranteed to impress all of
the chicks that are constantly hanging
around recording studios
(ha! If you
believe that one I have a bridge to sell
you).
I have worked with engineer/producers
who were complete assholes and this translated
to the end product. I have never met a
truly great engineer/producer who wasnt
also a truly great human being. From your
humble reply to my request for some of
your valuable time and your success in
your career, I assume you to be a member
of the latter group. Is it important to
have a sense of humor/patience to be great
at what you do creatively? Any classic
stories on having to bite your tongue?
Sadly, I have met, worked with (and been
tortured by) a number of brilliantly talented
people who were not particularly kind or
genuinely empathetic human beings. Talent
and intelligence dont always come
in the same package much like talent and
kindness dont. I have always admired
those who were good at what they did, and
simultaneously treated those they worked
around with dignity and kindness. Patience
and understanding are absolutely vital,
especially as a producer, as your jib is
basically to get to know a group of people
on a rather sensitive human level in a
very short time such that you can determine
when they are doing their best work to
achieve their vision. A good sense of humour
is an invaluable tool in the creative process,
theres no question about it. I really
dont want to work with anyone who
doesnt have a sense of humour; if
youre going to be with the same group
of people in the same room for 12 hours
a day you really need to be able to laugh
occasionally, or you might as well be doing
something you hate for better money. The
music "thang" (I dont even feel comfortable
calling it a business in the context of
this discussion) often attracts a lot of
very insecure people who take themselves
WAY too seriously and are burdened by an
over inflated sense of self importance.
Ive dealt with more than a few people
who equate what theyre doing (making
music, making records, feeding their own
narcissism, etc ) with " saving lives"
and that approach gets old reeeeeeeeeaaaaaallllllllly
quickly. I want to do good work as much
if not more than the next person but not
at the expense of my own sanity and not
if I have to work with people take themselves
too seriously and treat others badly.
How big a role does marketing play in
what we as consumers decide to buy so far
as music equipment? I know of musician
colleagues who would not be caught dead
using anything that wasnt a name
brand. Behringer springs to mind when I
think of good quality hardware at a price
that makes technophile snobs turn their
noses up in disgust.
I guess that depends on how many "gear
porn" mags you read and how much attention
you pay to what the adverts and reviews
say. I think the pro/semi pro equipment
manufacturers have done a wonderful job
convincing all of us that our lives cant
possibly be worth living unless we buy
their boxes full of integrated circuits
and blinking lights. Personally, I rely
much more on a recommendation from someone
whos work I admire than I ever would
on a magazine review but, Im fortunate
in that I tend to hang around recording
studios with lots of geeks like me who
have no lives and nothing better to do
than obsess about overpriced boxes full
of integrated circuits and blinking lights.
As far as gear that is less of "status
symbol", it really is always about the
pilot more than it is about the plane,
and I know a lot of wonderful recordings
done with non top shelf gear. I own two
Behringer Edisons and the Behringer Ultra
Bass and use them in mixing all the time.
How have you coped with the evolution
of recording and where do you see recording
in another 10 years. Does software like
Apples Garageband make you nervous? From
a magazine/design point of view, anyone
who can run a few filters in Photoshop
now considers themselves a graphic designer.
There is some bad, bad graphic design out
there at the moment. Is music production
heading in this direction?
Certainly the bar has been lowered, the
reverence and admiration for the actual
craft of audio engineering has diminished
dramatically, but these are different days
and we humans are connecting with popular
music in different ways that we have in
years past. When I was a teenager, me and
my geek friends would obsess over our stereo
equipment and the way things "sounded".
I dont think very many people are
all that concerned about the sound of something,
purely for the sake of it anymore (if the
widespread acceptance of the sound of MP3s
is any indication, then theres no
turning back, were doomed, "welcome
to McDonalds, may I take your order"?
).
As long as a track is exciting and has
impact it doesnt really matter what
it sounds like a lot of the time. Having
said that, I still prefer great sounding
recordings that have had attention paid
to them but, I have also been touched and
moved by recordings that , quite honestly,
sound like crap. If the song is a great
song and the performances support the song,
than it really doesnt make AS MUCH
difference.
I wouldnt say that software like
Garage Band makes me nervous as much as
it makes me excited that someone is going
to write some really extraordinary music
which they will partially "sketch" in Garage
Band and then I will get to participate
in helping them take that music to the
next few levels (and quite possibly keep
a lot of the work theyre already
done). The advent of inexpensive uber powerful
digital workstations is sometimes analogous
to giving guns to the natives but, I actually
think its a healthy thing that more
people are exposed to the technology and
as a result hopefully become passionate
about creating and recording music. To
me, the technology is just a tool and can
never replace the human contribution made
by those who have an innate connection
to music, and the craft of recording it.
I know what I bring to the party in terms
of my approach to song craft, my ability
to recognize great hooks, and the years
of experience I walk in the door with;
so, please pardon the hubris but, no, Garage
Band doesnt make me nervous at all.
From an engineering point of view, there
are so many audio tricks/techniques that
can be applied to average material to make
it sound interesting, do you think the
artist has become lazy/uncreative? Does
an artist have a say in the direction of
their material.
Yes, I would have to concur that those
who know something about what powerful
tools exist in the record making framework
will often lean too heavily on the technology
to save them from having to do certain
hard yards. I also think that there are
a lot of very switched on, ultra creative,
talented people out there who make the
technology work for them and use it to
augment rather than replace their input.
Then there is another group of very creative
folks who manipulate the technology in
a fashion that enables them to use it as
an actual instrument. I think theres
some pretty remarkable creativity going
on a lot of hip hop records I hear, and
I often marvel at the unique and clever
manner in which they approach things, as
I know I would never in a million years
have come up with the same thing. If youre
referring to the proliferation of devices
like Auto Tune and Melodyne, well I hate
having to tune more than the occasional
note or two of a vocal performance but,
Im glad that I can do that instead
of having to endure endless frustrating
weeks/months of someone who just cant
hit one or two notes bursting into tears
or hating me because we cant get
the line that we have all agreed is the
best melody for the song. I like the fact
that the technology can help keep the band
together, I hate the fact that the very
same technology has clogged our culture
with an overload of dilettantes out there
making records who quite frankly shouldnt
even be allowed to buy them. Okay maybe
thats a little strong but, Jessica
Simpson, and her "ilk" should pay double
for the records she buys
hows
that?
Of course artists have say about the direction
of their material, at least the ones I
try to associate with, but I dont
very often get the call to work with the
disposable pop diva type who is merely
using his/her good looks to get a fifteen
minute musical career off the ground so
that she can use that level of temporary
celebrity to get an acting career happening,
make bad films and be in bad television.
Those are the folks who dont have
much say in their material, and unless
someone was willing to pay me an exorbitant
fee (and I was writing at least some portion
of the material) that has little or no
allure for me. If were going to call
someone an "artist", then in my opinion
they would absolutely have to be involved
with their creative output, otherwise theyre
just
er
. um
. I dunno,
but they should probably just get into
the acting thing straightaway and leave
the music for those who are genuinely moved
and driven by it.
What do you listen to in the car/at
home?
In the car (and those of us who reside
part time in Los Angeles spend a lot of
time in their cars) when I can stomach
it I listen to a lot of public radio to
try and stay aware of whats going
on in the world; its really the only
chance I get for many weeks on end sometimes.
Unfortunately, these days in the US its
so very frightening that I sometimes cant
hack it and often have to revert to listening
to music (what a concept, eh??). Im
home so little that I tend not to listen
to much music there but, now that I have
an ipod and have put virtually my entire
music collection onto a dedicated computer
I find myself hitting "random" on itunes
and rediscovering my love for music purely
as a fan. I never though that I would get
off on hearing Black Flag and old Kiss
alongside Def Leppard, Rufus Wainright
and Aimee Mann but, it works for me and
its really very inspiring. The data
compression certainly makes the music much
less interesting sounding and one dimensional
but, just to have on in the background
its wonderful.
A favorite musical experience?
There are many for me, Ive been very
blessed. Ive been having a pretty
wonderful experience for the last twenty
years, and I hope I can get another twenty
out of it before I have to go to work at
the drive through window at McDonalds or
sell pencils on the street corner.
Your first ever engineering job?
How do we qualify job?? I was helping friends
make demos with a TEAC 3440 four track
when I was about 14. The recordings werent
any good but we had a lot of fun. I was
making a reasonable living in the early
eighties recording a bunch of mostly rather
cringeworthy metal bands from the Sunset
Strip but, I was a hack until I started
working at the Record Plant in 1987; thats
when I really began to understand what
was involved. Does that answer the question
.er
..um
.probably
not, eh??
How important is mastering for the
final product? Why do outside guys end
up mastering? Should this process not also
be up to the engineer/ producer. Have you
ever had a master come back that has made
you bury your face in your hands?
Okay, let me start by expressing my opinion
that too many people confuse mastering
with mixing
.more on that
in a minute.
Im of the opinion that you dont
call the plumber to work on the electrical
even if he wires up houses in his spare
time; you need to call the specialist in
for the important tasks. When Ive
obsessed over a record for a number of
months I want someone with an objective
opinion to weigh in, especially if I trust
them and admire the work theyve been
associated with. Mastering folks (at least
the handful of good ones who just do that
style of work and began by cutting vinyl)
sit in the same room every day, in front
of the same set of loudspeakers, with the
same really expensive signal chain, listening
to pretty much nothing but two channel
stereo mixes of records. If those guys
dont know when something comes out
of their speakers that does or doesnt
sound "like a record" then I dont
know who would.
No, I have never really had a bad mastering
experience but I always try to be present
at mastering and to work only with people
whom I trust.
What are your tips for bands embarking
on their first studio recording?
I know there are a number of folks who
would vehemently disagree with me on this
but, I think that the most important part
of any recording, especially for a young
band, is what they do before they get into
the studio and the clock is ticking. This
process is commonly referred to as pre
production and though people vary widely
on their approach to it, the common idea
is that you all work together to have a
cogent idea of the building youre
about to build BEFORE you show up to build
it. I would rather spend a month working
on arrangements, tempos, keys, parts etc,
than burn a bunch of money in the studio
and end up with sub standard work because
we were unprepared. There are VERY few
bands around these days that would merit
the approach of merely "taking an audio
snapshot of an inspired moment of spontaneous
genuius" or "setting up the mics and letting
the tape roll", though Im keen to
find some and make some and make a few
records that way. When I meet with bands
who are overly drunk with romantic ideas
of the record making process and have been
bamboozled by myths, legends and other
fairy tales I usually get a bit worried.
There is a very happy medium between the
technology making a record and the humans
using the technology to make the record
without tying their hands behind their
collective backs; each situation requires
a unique application of the "craft" (yes,
the craft of record making
) and my
experience has always proven that the pre
production process helps to find that unique
approach more than any other phase.
If possible, I always advise that bands
record their rehearsal/ preproduction work
as often as they can and continually listen
back to get a level of objectivity. This
way, they can become more adept at self
editing and learning how to help each other
do their best work. With the veritable
plethora of inexpensive digital recording
devices available today (and all the older
second hand stuff that can be had very
inexpensively), pretty much anyone can
afford to cobble together some sort of
recording device that will enable them
to put a mic in the room and document what
theyre doing. You can tell the drummer
all day long that he/she is losing tempo
after the middle eight but until that drummer
steps out from behind the drum kit and
can actually hear something other than
their cymbals (anybody ever stop to wonder
why most drummers cant hear above
5k by the time theyre in their twenties???)
they probably wont believe you. Recording
rehearsals is absolutely invaluable, especially
if you take the time to actually listen
back.
What should these bands invest in? Good
studio or Great Studio? Good mastering
or Great mastering? Etc
At the risk of repeating myself, it really
isnt about the studio so much as
it is about the person flying it, and the
connection/understanding that person has
with the artist regarding their vision.
I would always recommend a great studio
if someone can afford it, but that scenario
is often very intimidating, and sometimes
its best not to take that approach. You
can get spectacular results with less than
spectacular gear/studio if you plan things
properly and inject a bit of ingenuity.
Bands that have a pretty solid drum foundation
(which is the case for most rock bands)
certainly need to insure that they can
get solid, punchy basic tracks, and that
can often be determined by the quality
of the facility they were tracked in, but
its still , ALWAYS more important
that the arrangements, parts and tempos
are right for the songs and that goes right
back to pre production. Ten years ago it
was pretty difficult to fix poorly recorded
or unexceptional sounding tracks, these
days with all the fabulous technology out
there you can usually salvage a sub par
recording if the songs and performances
(make sure your guitars are intonated well
and your parts are in tune all you guitar/bass
playing types out there, out of tune guitars
ARE NOT COOL, and cant be fixed after
the fact I dont care what anyone
says!) are right. And that leads me to
a wonderful segue to my next point
With all due respect to all of the wonderfully
talented mastering folks out there, all
the mastering prowess in the world is not
going to fix bad mixing and improperly
balanced tracks. Taking bad mixes to get
mastered is like hiring a great house painter
to come paint your manure hut gold; underneath
the gold paint, its still made of
manure and will collapse once it encounters
a heavy rain. I find that a great many
people are confused about what the mastering
process can, and can not achieve. Mastering
is really just about the last chance for
2 channel (unless its multi channel
surround) EQ and limiting, as well as getting
the individual songs to match in level
and feel so they hang together as a coherent
body of work. I would strongly advise against
people deluding themselves into thinking
that mastering is going to save lame performances/production
and especially, bad mixing. ANY worthwhile
mastering engineer would agree with that,
its really just common sense once
you understand how the pieces all fit together.
I was having a chat just yesterday to Rick
ONeill who is unquestionably one
of the premier mastering dudes in Australia,
if not internationally as he does world
class work, and he sends people home more
often than he would like because their
mixes arent useable. He told me that
the other day he had to send someone away
to recall their mix and turn their lead
vocal up 10DB! Obviously, some people dont
realize some of the differences between
mixing and mastering.
The moral of the story/diatribe?? Preparation
and pre production are crucial, spend your
$$$ on tracking solid drum/basic tracks,
do your overdubs somewhere less expensive,
and get your stuff mixed by someone who
knows what theyre doing (and has
the experience to tell you when you need
to rerecord something or leave it alone)
and can hand you a mix that the mastering
engineer barely has to mess with except
to make it a bit more exciting and add
a bit of sheen to it.
Is Trevor Horn a genius and what was
he like to work with? (Sorry, I had to
throw that one in.)
I wish that I could have worked with him
more, he was a gentleman and, the consummate
professional on every level. He was very
kind to me, and considering that he is
"music business/record making royalty"
he had no airs and graces about him whatsoever;
he just wants to do good work
..I
love that. He definitely comes at things,
first and foremost from a very musical
platform, and leaves the technical aspects
up to the people hes hired, and he
has certainly earned that luxury. Trevor
Horn really understands great hooks, and
he knows the anatomy of a great pop song
and the pivotal melodic components contained
therein; he is a savant, there is no question
about it. Hes a fabulous vocal producer,
and got exceptional work out of the folks
that we were working. What can I say, hes
unquestionably one of the few record producers
Ive worked with or been around who
motivated me to think ,"when I grow up
, I want to be something like him, and
sadly, I cant say that about very
many people.
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