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GARY GRIMM & MARK SCHULMAN (P!NK): THE TECH & THE DRUMMER TALK DRUMS

Last week, we brought you an exclusive backstage insight into P!NK’s Beautiful Trauma tour.  This week, we go a little deeper into the percussion element of P!NK’s show, via an interview with the tour’s amiable drum tech, Gray Grimm. We also have a word to P!NK’s drummer Mark Schulman.
 
“It’s one of those things where you just get into it and I was working with great drummers, doing great gigs and every gig I did I thought, well that’s the only gig I’ll ever do and I’d wonder what am I going to do now … and another gig would pop up!” says Gary Grimm of his of journey to becoming a globe-trotting drum tech to some of the world’s finest drummers. Gary has worked with Mick Fleetwood, Steve Ferrone, Lenny White, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, and Rick Marotta to name a handful. Since 2002, he has been the go-to guy for Mark Schulman, longtime drummer for pop superstar P!nk. Greg Phillips caught up with Gary and Mark at Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne during P!nk’s record-breaking beautiful Trauma tour.

Hi Gary. Where did your music career begin? Did you start out playing in bands?
Yeah. Just normal stuff, different bands … just casual.

How did you then get into being a drum tech?
I had just finished college and I was working in LA. I had just got a job at a famous music store, Valley Arts Guitar And Drums. I had a part time job at Remo, the drumhead company while I was at school. While I was there I heard there was this job opening at this store so I went there and got the job. I was really busy at the time, I playing a lot and at the same time I was kinda dissatisfied with drums, the manufacturers’ products at the time and I was working on building my own stuff, experimenting with sounds. While I was at the store, I wasn’t really aware of what a drum roadie or drum tech was. I didn’t really understand what was going on. A friend of mine at the time was working for Michael McDonald and I asked him if he had a guy who sets up his stuff. He said no, at this point in Mike’s solo career he just hired a few guys to set everything up. He said that Michael had just released an album and was going on a big world tour. The drummer, George (Perilli) thought that maybe Michael was going to let him have his own guy. He talked to Michael about it and came back and said if you want to try that out and be a drum tech, the job is yours if you want it. He liked what I did or whatever in terms of drums but I thought ok, this could be interesting. So I quit the store, thinking this will be great, a big world tour … at the time nobody really knew who he was .. by name you had to say the guy from The Doobie Brothers. Consequently the tour got cancelled except for going to Japan and that was the beginning and it just took off from there. I have been so fortunate to get such great gigs. It’s one of those things where you get into it and I was working with great drummers, doing great gigs and every gig I did I thought, well that’s the only gig I’ll ever do and I’d wonder what am I going to do now … and another gig would pop up! It’s been a very fortunate ride for me. It wasn’t something I was planning to do, I just fell into it.

You have worked with some of the world’s best drummers …. Mick Fleetwood, Steve Ferrone, Lenny White, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, Rick Marotta, and now Mark Schulman. How different can your job be from drummer to drummer?
It’s not so much that it gets different as a gig. The difference is who the person is and the music. Management can be so different too, how they act and who they hire to be production people. The gig itself is the same, it’s a show, you set up the drums, you learn what the guy wants. To me, the real difference can be in how the tour treats their personnel. It’s not that I have been afforded the choice to be choosy, I have just been very fortunate in what’s come across my plate. I’m just interested in who the drummer is and what the music is and that’s been my criteria.

What about the different rooms that you set up in … how different can the drum sound be from venue to venue?
Arena-wise, it is pretty similar because it is just a huge big room. If you are playing theatres .. there are so many different kinds of theatres, new theatres, old theatres. Old theatres tend to be more cramped and you have to tune differently because the sound can be a bit dead. If there’s a lower ceiling it squashes your sound. It’s tough because you have to think outside the drum area. The drummer has a unique perspective in that we sit behind everything and everybody hears it from everywhere else. The sound is so different in a 360 perception, you have to try to get a concept of how the drums sound outside of where the drummer sits. A lot of times I will go out front and hear what it sounds like. Just standing in front of the drummer tells me a lot.

What’s the starting point for you and your job once you know you are doing a tour?
I’ll contact the drummer first off. If I don’t know them or even if I do, I will call and talk to them and get a feel for their set up and what they want, how they feel about me doing their stuff and if they have anything specific they want to key in on. They may have a particular sound they want to keep. With Lenny White, it was amazing. He just said with your background, I’m wide open to suggestions… you know, you show me something! That was a nice thing to say but at the end of the day, he really does have a specific sound. But as to where I start, I just try to talk to the player to see what’s up.

When did you first hook up with Mark Schulman?
Mark and I started together when he was doing Cher in 2002. I got the gig through management. I was working with Tina Turner and Roger, her manager also manages Cher. He was also managing Janet Jackson, so I did that and as I said he was managing Cher, so it just kept going through that management contact. I had known of Mark but never worked together but we would run cross each other. Mark is very open to a lot of things and very easy to work with. He has a very specific idea but he’s comfortable to work with.

I’d met Mark during Pink’s Funhouse tour here in 2009. His kit is different this time around …
I didn’t do that tour but that that set of drums he used were from the Cher tour that we started and then moved over to P!nk. It was a maple kit and a different configuration of Gretsch. This kit is brand new to this tour. Everything is new. It is a new rack, new drum set. It’s very open sounding and very big. I’ve really enjoyed it. I think the difference is that this kit has a little more top end to it, a little more edge. I’m finding this kit really easy to tune and very consistent drum to drum. A lot of times you’ll get a kit where one tom has an easy to tune open sound and another tom may be more choked or dead, which is just the way it is .. it’s wood so you never know what you are going to get. This kit is very consistent, I like it a lot.

Photo by Jason Rosewarne

Mark is transitioning from Roland TD30 V Drums to the TD50. How involved are you with the electronics and the transition?
He’s pretty much turned it over to me. Obviously he has picked the sounds and what we are doing from song to song. It’s unfortunate that we haven’t been able to use the 50 from the beginning because it came up pretty close to when we were done. The transition involves the sound guys and everything, so it’s not a case of just one day touring it over, one day the 30, the next day the 50. Unfortunately in a touring situation, there is not that kind of rehearsal time where you can make adjustments to a new system if you need to. So it will be a smooth transition but it’s going to take a bit.

When did you first come across electronics in drums?
When I worked with Toto and Jeff (Porcaro). He had a Dynacord and he just triggered a kick sound and a snare sound but it wasn’t all the time, it was one particular song. It was extremely minimal, just like one sound. It was so new. Even though Steve and David were massively into electronics, it was not something that Jeff was really into. He was not opposed to it, he just didn’t need it. There was quite a bit of electronics with Stevie Nicks and Rick Marotta. He had like 4 pads across the top that he was playing with and that was probably the first time I really came across it.

Has there been any major mishaps that have happened on a stage under your watch?
Not really. I mean because there are electronics, you know, the units can be a bit of a black box at times but you do your best to take care of them. You pack them well and they ride well and all that. Every once in a great while you will have a cable that has a bad solder and come apart and you just have to replace the cable but I have never had a unit go down. I used the AKAI MPC60 a lot when I was (Bruce) Hornsby and then again with (Don) Henley and that was just a real good workhorse. And again with Janet Jackson and Brian (Frasier-Moore), we used the DrumKAT and AKAI 1000 as a sampler. The DrumKAT is an amazing unit, very hardy, really strong and real deep. You can do so much with that and that was a bit of a learning curve when I got into that.

What’s on for you after this leg of the tour?
After this leg I am just looking forward to resting and I have turned away quite a few gigs already because I want to devote some time to my wife who I haven’t seen for a while and looking forward to just relaxing. It is not that it is all hectic and stressful, it’s not, it’s just being away so long. This Australian/ New Zealand leg is so unique in that we have done so many shows in one city. It’s a different feeling than when you do one or two shows and move on. Just being in one spot, the feeling you get is different because you can get out and see things. When we’re in Melbourne or Sydney where we are doing so many shows, it is almost like the hotel became my apartment.

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MARK SCHULMAN

Mark, there are a few changes to the band for this tour. Was the rehearsal regime different this time?
Not really, the band will get together for at least a couple of weeks just to refresh and if there’s any new material or reworking of arrangements and then we’ll do 3 or 4 full weeks of full production, which we did in Phoenix last year. There’s a stadium, old colosseum there and we do all the acrobatics and any musical changes relative to the program.

What are the factors involved when choosing a kit for a tour?
I always choose the set up based on the music. Everything has a purpose. I am very particular about the drums, the drum sizes, the electronics and the placement of everything. It all has musical relevance based on what we end up doing. As an example, I used the full TD30 complete electronic kit on the Cher tour because there is a lot of full, electronic dance oriented music. On this tour, I’m just using bibs and bobs of Roland gear because it’s more augmentation. I’m using a trigger pedal, three different pads because that is what is most appropriate musically.

Pic by Jason Rosewarne

When did you first come across drum electronics?
Oh my gosh, I was one of the early, early fans of electronics. Back in 1988 I had the DrumKAT, I had the MPC60. I was even going to do a video originally with the DrumKAT because I was playing melodies and doing a lot of stuff. I always had a definitive interest. I had piezo triggers on my drums, which were set to the pitches of the drums so when you hit the drums I would get triggers of the actual pitches, until I found out the that the guy at front of house liked the sound of he drums so much that he wasn’t even using the electronics. I used to have a refrigerator sized rack of samplers and processing gear, so I have always been really into it.

I believe you’re transitioning from Roland TD30 V-Drums to TD50 …
Yes we are in transition. We do love our TD30 and we have so much programmed and we are transitioning from programming the TD30 type of sounds into the TD50. The nice thing about the TD50 is that we’re going to sample the actual sounds from the record. Whereas with the TD30 we are emulating the sounds from the record.

You’ve been a longtime endorsee of Vic Firth sticks …
Yes since 1995 I have been with Vic Firth. My philosophy about gear is you use what you like. it’s like your favourite food or your mate, it’s what feels comfortable. So sticks are a very critical component, that’s what we actually touch. The feel of the electronics, the feel of pads, the feel of the drums, sound of drums, the cymbals … there are so many variable but I believe that you want to be true to yourself, so I’m not saying hey use it because I use it, it might not be their cup of tea. My wife does not like Mexican food. I try to talk her into Mexican food but she doesn’t like it. She’s a foodie, she likes French food so we don’t eat as much Mexican food as I’d like. it’s the same thing with any sound or feel of instrument, it is a very personal thing.

Do you have any favourite moments in this Beautiful Trauma show?
Yeah a few favourite moments. I love playing the song Beautiful Trauma because it is so groovin’! There’s a song called Secrets, where P!nk and Cassandra one of the dancers go up and do these beautiful aerials but I am using a lot of electronics in that and I’m really enjoying it. It’s like half electronics, half acoustic so I get to play some trigger kicks and I am using the pads a lot and it’s kind of a swingin’ song. We literally go from doing this huge rock song, we do a cover of Teen Spirit, so I am playing as huge as I can and then we do Secrets which is a lot more subtle and finessed and more funk and electronics.

MARK’S GEAR

DRUMS –
Gretsch:
14 x 26 Broadkaster Bass Drum
8 x 10, 8 x 12, 12 x 14 Broadkaster rack toms
16 x 16, 16 x 18 Broadkaster floor toms
5 x 12 custom Mark Schulman signature snare drum (main)
6 1/2 x 14 solid maple custom snare drum (main)
6 1/2 x 14 Brooklyn hammered chrome over brass snare drum
8 x 5 USA Custom concert tom
18 x 18 Brooklyn custom floor tom
18 x 24 Brooklyn custom floor tom

HARDWARE –
Gibraltar:
Brent Barnett Custom design rack
Hardware and G Series double pedals

CYMBALS –
Sabian:
1pr – 15” Groove Hats
1 – 9” Radia Chime
1 – 10” AA Splash
1 – 18” EVO O-Zone Crash (inverted)
1 – 18” EVO O-Zone Crash w/rivets
1 – 19” AAX X-Plosion Crash
1 – 20” AA Raw Bell Crash
1 – 20” V-Crash
1 – 22” AERO Crash (prototype)
* Combo:
1 – 18” AERO Crash (bottom) w/ 1 – 18” EVO O-Zone Crash (top)

DRUMHEADS –
Remo:
Emperor Colortone Red – toms
Powerstroke P3 Clear Black Dot – bass drum
Emperor X Coated – snare drum
Ambassador Hazy – snare side

ELECTRONICS –
Roland:
TD-30 Drum Trigger Module – (Transitioning to TD-50 Drum Trigger Module)
10” Mesh Trigger Pad (PDX100)
x2
 Bass drum Trigger Pedal (KT10)
Drum Trigger Pad (BT1)

STICKS/MALLETS –
Vic Firth:
X55B sticks
T3 Staccato Mallets
RUTE 505 Plastic Multirod
CT1 Corpsmaster Timpani Mallets

 

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